I plan on responding to the rest of you. This really is sort of a big subject for me right now, so I appreciate the time in giving me your guys thoughts.
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What did NOT get you out?
by problemaddict 2 ini realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.
in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.
i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.
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What did NOT get you out?
by problemaddict 2 ini realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.
in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.
i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.
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llama - Wheres the link. I would love to hear it.
joe - join the club my man. We have many members. ha.
trying now - not hard to believe. What matters is now. I knew it was BS and stayed in 5 more years trying to affect change when all I was doing was torturing myself.
Magnus - My anecdotal observation is that many leave specifically because of treatment from the elders. Or I should say, that treatment opens up their mind to the idea that Holy Spirit isn't running the show (the first brick for them).
Dreamerdude - You think he has PTSD? I don't know. I think he is just an arrogant asshole, unqualified to be in the position he occupies. A sibling disfellowshipped while very young is a killer. It really lights up our inate concept of fairness.
OTWO - You see, and a couple of those really got me. Its so individual. Part of the reason i am asking this, is because I am trying to discern what approach to take with those who I still talk to, that won't set off the wrong flags, and will maybe loosen the brick.
Wanton - Child abuse didn't do it for me either (it makes me angry now of course). Abusive elders seems to be the winner for many people here.
Tor - Thanks for sharing that. So can i ask, the thing that brought you to the internet and got you to think, was the general lack of charity? Or a narrow viewpoint? Just making sure I understand that correctly.
Oppostate - I was like most of JW's. thought it was a lie, and that it didn't mean anything. Honestly, I still don't really know the deal.
Shnufti - Me either. None of those things resonated at the time of my awakening.
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(Not so) Subliminal Shave Your Beard Message
by Funchback ini'm in the middle of dissecting the june 2017 jw broadcasting video.. in the first minute, they summarize a story about a guy who apparently was a one-time bad ass (showed a picture of him with a beard while posing on a chopper).
then, they show him shaving at the exact same moment the narrator is saying how he regained "a clean conscience".. this no-beard obsession by the jws is beyond nuts.. .
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Wait......someone in my old hall told me beards are cool now, and he sports one IN THE HALL. Based off a recent WT. So i thought there was a bit of a loosening here no?
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What did NOT get you out?
by problemaddict 2 ini realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.
in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.
i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.
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jp1692 - That is an interesting perspective. That the relative "perfection" the WT expects makes us hypersensitive to the faults within said org. I sometimes thing it ALL bugged me as well, but that is from the perspective now of someone aware they were duped. So maybe it didn't.......if that makes sense.
Anony - Its never just one thing (we have so many to choose from, its like the salad bar of the deplorable). BUT, it seems like one thing usually lowers guard to the point one is willing to "think" for the first time. Some brush it off, some use their power of reason.
Freemind - UN didn't do a thing for me. But jp1692 said that was it for him. I guess that is what I mean. I now see the hypocrisy in the UN situation, but it isn't even in my arsenal of discussion when I can actually get a few of these things through some conversation when their guard is down.
Sparrowdown - Good point. Its why i refuse to be disfellowshipped. People have asked me questions and reached out to me, where I think they would not have if I was DF'd, just because of the psychological barrier.
Chook - Me neither. I actually miss the elders that i grew up with. I am sure they feel the same at the root.
Ucant - Do you mind if I ask what that 1 thing was?
SBF - But everything else eh? Haha.
Scratchme - Thanks for that detailed response. I read it a couple of times. It makes perfect sense. However I would add one thing that might not fit simply into that. I was a "born in". So there was no point of refference for how the org made me feel. It was just everyday life. While I wasn't affected by items I mentioned (and in part due to the explanation you offered), I didn't stop entertaining them. I was a JW apologist on line for a few years. Pretty active too. In the end, blood just was too much of a foundational "brick" for me to keep the structural integrity of my mental wall in tact. then I was open to other things I hadn't seen before.
I am still rubbed wrong by aggressive activism and yelling at convention goers on you tube, and I still don't think arguing Christian doctrine vs JW doctrine works. Yet the people I assisted out.....none of them felt the same way about blood (even though now they see it). That wasn't their "thing".
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My disassociation story
by Roger Kirkpatrick infollowing is a summary of events leading up to my decision to disassociate from jehovah's witnesses and the unforeseen results of that decision.. a young man named joel engardio produced a documentary about jehovah's witnesses called "knocking" which aired nationally on pbs.
i purchased the dvd from joel before it was even released and we exchanged emails.
joel had been raised by his jw mother and had been active in jw activities during his adolescence, but he was never baptized as a jw.
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Thanks for sharing. This really is amazing. In the not so grand scheme of things, this was such a benign (and accurate) statement. Yet it triggered their homophobia, and drove them to make a mountain out of a molehill.
In the end its happy news for you. Ridiculous elders are the cause for many people to be able to see just a little bit behind the curtain.
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Nursing exam question on JW blood beliefs
by adjusted knowledge ini had a similar question on my nclex exam for my nursing license.
in the rapid changing beliefs of jws what is the correct answer?.
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Its one or 4 (probably 4 because of how EPO works as somone mentioned). Platlets, Plasma, RBC's, and WBC's are all considered "main components". All the various components of those components however are perfectly ok. You can eat pork, but not eat pepperoni, and definitely not have pizza!
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What is the most bizarre counsel you received as a JW, from a JW?
by Funchback inthere were many addressed to me.
for example, i once had a sister tell me i was gambling because i liked playing skill crane (the machine where you have to try to pick up prizes like stuffed animals) at the arcade.
i then fired back a her: "you saw the r-rated movie 'backdraft.
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My friend was told by a CO's wife to not boil their water (in a third world country), because it would "kill the vitamins". Not really counsel......but clearly nuts. -
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Physically In, Mentally Out
by James Jack in7 years ago i was this "ultra spiritual elder".
you name it, i was visible all over the region.
i was the coordinator, on the convention committee, rbc, had a talk at every convention and assembly, regular pioneer, etc.
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You were taught that to look inwardly, and think independently were bad things.
Really they are necessary for our development.
Even as a JW I had sort of a morbid fear of death (and maybe being killed by God). As an awake out person, I still can't shake it, and its not good. Through some real reflection and research, I figured that processing death, and you living your one and only life (at least in the state you are currently in...if you happen to have a religious faith), happens in per-adolesence.
But I WASN'T GOING TO DIE. I got to walk into the new world riding a lion. So......I never processed the idea of ceasing to exist as i was.
It took time......self reflection....and being open to anything to get that.
Give yourself time. So what is right for you and your family, and while it sounds like a buzzword, take back your integrity. It will make you feel whole again, even if you have more questions than answers maybe for the first time in your life.
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I Give Up!
by pale.emperor inim giving up guys.
i've reached the end of my patience and now i finally refuse to waste any more time on part-time witnesses.
i've text all of my active jw family members and told them to delete my number from their phone and never contact me again.
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Nah. Don't give up! Haha.
For real, you are still int he best position to be able to help if there is a real opening. Cutting yourself off from them, is doing their work for them.
The person who helped me wake up online, probably thought he was beating his head against a wall. 7 years after our "talks" I found him and thanked him. I have helped a few people out, so you could say his time cost the branch about 12 members and their donations thus far.
So......do whats good for you, but don't let momentary frustration get you down. Being kind, making yourself available......it works!
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Bible pssssges that are immoral - Lot offering his virgin daughters to be gang raped by homosexual males
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tell me me more about your just & loving god..
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The more I woke up, the more the Hebrew scriptures in particular read like an ancient nomadic desert dwelling tribe justifying their crazy actions through their God.
David committing the grave sin of counting people, and the people paying for it to the tune of something like 17,000 deaths definitely comes to mind.
In judges, when they are to slay a neighboring tribe, but spare the virgin women who have not gone through puberty. That was pretty rough. When the soldiers come back with infants and little children that are not virgin per-pubescent girls....Moses is all like Yo!....I thought I said kill all the boys? So I imagine them being ripped from their older sisters arms, and their throats cut. Jehovah doesn't say or so anything at all about it.
Yeah......really being honest with myself started with those things.